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originally posted here on IIT-JEE / AIEEE community
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(3x+4y+1)^2 + (x+y+3)^2 =0 represents ? | |||||||||||||
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The point (-11,8) |
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C0nic with centr (-11,8) | |||||||||||||
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It cannot be a conic...it has to be a point. If sum of 2 non-negative quantities is zero then both the quantities have to be zero. Solving the 2 linear equations obtained on equating them to zero gives the answer. |
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(3x+4y+1)^2+(x+y+3)^2=0 On expanding we get, 4x.x + 5y.y + 13xy + 7y + 6x + 10=0 it is in the form - ax.x + by.y + 2hxy + 2gx + 2fy + c=0. to check we first find the area i.e. abc + 2fgh - af.f - bg.g - ch.h= area. it is non zero, hence it does not represent the straight lines. now, we check, h.h= 169/4 and a.b= 20. here, h.h>a.b ; hence, the equation represents the hyperbola with center (-11, 8). |
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Earth laughs in flowers. |
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ellipes? | |||||||||||||
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Guys!! Doesn't that equation just represent a point ?!! The point of intersection of those 2 linear equations.. If p(x) and q(x) are 2 linear expressions in x of degree 1, and if
then since square of anything real can never be negative, both have to be zero.
Apply this sense in the above question... |
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The corrected version 3x+4y+1)^2+(x+y+3)^2=0 On expanding we get, 10x.x + 17y.y + 26xy + 14y + 12x + 10=0 it is in the form - ax.x + by.y + 2hxy + 2gx + 2fy + c=0. to check we first find the area i.e. abc + 2fgh - af.f - bg.g - ch.h= area. it is non zero, hence it does not represent the straight lines. now, we check, h.h= 169 and a.b= 170. here, h.h<a.b ; hence, the equation represents the ellipse with center (-11, 8).
If it is a point that means if we check the radius that should come out to be ZERO. But, sqrt(g^2 + f^2 - c) is not equal to 0. Therefore, the equation does not represent the point. (where g=6, f=7, and c=10 ) |
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Earth laughs in flowers. |
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It is time to force matters... Let a,b be any 2 REAL numbers. The facts are
So if I say
there can be ONLY ONE solution.
Now if a,b are functions of x,y returning real values, then both the functions a and b must be zero as shown above. Let a(x,y)=(3x+4y+1) and b(x,y)=(x+y+3) So the ONLY solutions to
Using this we put a(x,y)=0 and b(x,y)=0 . What we get now is 3x+4y+1=0 AND x+y+3=0 These are a pair of simultaneous linear equations which can only represent ONE point.. If anybody argues that it is a conic, I am ready to accept that fact if you can find just one more point which satisfies that equation.
And Deevita, if you call it an ellipse with centre (-11,8) can you justify (-11,8) satisfying the given equation? An ellipse which passes through its centre?? LOL....it's ok...we all make mistakes, right?
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its not at all a conic..it ll represent a point ... as if two non negative terms sum to zero then the individual term becomes zero and thus the ans is a point | |||||||||||||
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Just one more thing to support my point, when the equation is written in the general equation of 2nd degree form, then abc+2fgh-a.f.f-b.g.g-c.h.h comes out to be zero. and h.h < a.b which proves that the equation represents a pair of imaginary lines intersecting in a real point. |
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Your argument is appropriate and satisfactory. I was mistaken. Now, it seems proper to me. |
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